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Hello all,

 

I just started playing around with running two macros at the same time and I've run into a wall. Maybe what I'm trying to

do is not possible right now, but if it is, I'd love to know how to do it.

 

These are just a couple of test macros, so they don't currently have any practical value for me, but here's what I'm trying to

accomplish:

  • Run macro with extended delay (25 minutes).
  • Run second macro while first is still processing. Second macro will calculate how long the delay has been running.

Unfortunately, the second macro isn't accessing the variable data from the first macro, despite having Save All Variables in

the first macro and Restore All Variables in the second one.

 

Here is the actual code, so if somebody wants to let me know what I've done wrong, or what I could do better, that would be

great! (Also, I think I could probably eliminate the conversion of D/T variables to Dec variables and back, if I could get the

2nd macro to access the variable info from the first one... the conversions were actually a product of me trying to figure out

what I was doing wrong.)

 

Macro 1:

<DATE/TIME Flags="\xB0" Date="12/28/2008 9:45:11 AM" Day_Offset="0" Month_Offset="0" Year_Offset="0" Hour_Offset="0" Minute_Offset="0" Second_Offset="0" Left="Center" Top="Center" Monitor="0" Variable="%DTyt%" IsDateVar="TRUE"/>
<CONVERT DATE/TIME TO DECIMAL Source="%DTyt%" Dest="%decyt%"/>
<VARIABLE SAVE Option="\x00"/>
<TEXT BOX DISPLAY Title="Delay Start" Content="{\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fnil Tahoma;}{\\f1\\fnil\\fcharset0 Tahoma;}}\r\n\\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\lang1033\\f0\\fs16 The delay started at:\r\n\\par %\\f1 DTyt\\f0 %\r\n\\par }\r\n" Left="820" Top="295" Width="278" Height="200" Monitor="0" OnTop="FALSE" Keep_Focus="TRUE" Mode="\x02" Delay="0"/>
<DELAY Flags="\x01" Time="1500"/>
<TEXT BOX CLOSE Header="Delay Start"/>

Macro 2

<VARIABLE RESTORE Option="\x00"/>
<DATE/TIME Flags="\xB0" Date="12/28/2008 9:46:35 AM" Day_Offset="0" Month_Offset="0" Year_Offset="0" Hour_Offset="0" Minute_Offset="0" Second_Offset="0" Left="Center" Top="Center" Monitor="0" Variable="%DTytc%" IsDateVar="TRUE"/>
<CONVERT DATE/TIME TO DECIMAL Source="%DTytc%" Dest="%Decytc%"/>
<VARIABLE MODIFY DECIMAL Option="\x01" Destination="%D[1]%" Value1="%Decytc%" Value2="%decyt%"/>
<CONVERT DECIMAL TO DATE/TIME Source="%D[1]%" Dest="%TimeRun%"/>
<TEXT BOX DISPLAY Title="How long?" Content="{\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0\\deflang1033{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fnil\\fcharset0 Tahoma;}{\\f1\\fnil Tahoma;}}\r\n\\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\f0\\fs16 %TimeRun%\r\n\\par %Decyt%\r\n\\par %DTytc%\\f1 \r\n\\par }\r\n" Left="Center" Top="Center" Width="278" Height="200" Monitor="0" OnTop="FALSE" Keep_Focus="TRUE" Mode="\x00" Delay="0"/>

 

Thanks!

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I'm pretty sure I've reproduced that problem. My code has some trivial changes so that I could more easily identify what I was doing:

 

First macro:

Date/Time: Set %Start% to the current date/time

Convert Date/Time to Decimal: %Start% => %StartDec%

Variable Save: Save All Variables

Text Box Display: Delay Start

Delay: 1500 seconds

Text Box Close: Delay Start

Macro Return

 

<DATE/TIME Flags="\xB0" Date="30/12/1899" Day_Offset="0" Month_Offset="0" Year_Offset="0" Hour_Offset="0" Minute_Offset="0" Second_Offset="0" Left="Center" Top="Center" Monitor="0" Variable="%Start%" IsDateVar="TRUE"/>
<CONVERT DATE/TIME TO DECIMAL Source="%Start%" Dest="%StartDec%"/>
<VARIABLE SAVE Option="\x00"/>
<TEXT BOX DISPLAY Title="Delay Start" Content="{\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fnil Tahoma;}{\\f1\\fnil\\fcharset0 Tahoma;}}\r\n\\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\lang1033\\f0\\fs16 The delay started at:\r\n\\par %\\f1 Start\\f0 %\r\n\\par }\r\n" Left="820" Top="295" Width="278" Height="200" Monitor="0" OnTop="FALSE" Keep_Focus="TRUE" Mode="\x02" Delay="0"/>
<DELAY Flags="\x01" Time="1500"/>
<TEXT BOX CLOSE Header="Delay Start"/>
<MACRO RETURN/>

 

Second macro:

Variable Restore: Restore All Variables

Date/Time: Set %Later% to the current date/time

Convert Date/Time to Decimal: %Later% => %LaterDec%

Variable Modify Decimal: %ResultDec% = %LaterDec% - %StartDec%

Convert Decimal to Date/Time: %ResultDec% => %TimeRun%

Text Box Display: How long?

Macro Return

 

<VARIABLE RESTORE Option="\x00"/>
<DATE/TIME Flags="\xB0" Date="30/12/1899" Day_Offset="0" Month_Offset="0" Year_Offset="0" Hour_Offset="0" Minute_Offset="0" Second_Offset="0" Left="Center" Top="Center" Monitor="0" Variable="%Later%" IsDateVar="TRUE"/>
<CONVERT DATE/TIME TO DECIMAL Source="%Later%" Dest="%LaterDec%"/>
<VARIABLE MODIFY DECIMAL Option="\x01" Destination="%ResultDec%" Value1="%LaterDec%" Value2="%StartDec%"/>
<CONVERT DECIMAL TO DATE/TIME Source="%ResultDec%" Dest="%TimeRun%"/>
<TEXT BOX DISPLAY Title="How long?" Content="{\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0\\deflang1033{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fnil\\fcharset0 Tahoma;}{\\f1\\fnil Tahoma;}}\r\n\\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\f0\\fs16 Macro 1 started at\\b  Start\\b0  = %Start%  (= %StartDec%)\r\n\\par Macro 2 started at \\b Later\\b0  = %Later% (= %LaterDec%)\r\n\\par \r\n\\par So \\b TimeRun\\b0  = %TimeRun%\\f1 \r\n\\par }\r\n" Left="727" Top="609" Width="546" Height="219" Monitor="0" OnTop="FALSE" Keep_Focus="TRUE" Mode="\x00" Delay="0"/>
<MACRO RETURN/>

 

The result I see is:

 

ScasperTest-1.jpg

 

 

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Terry, East Grinstead, UK

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The result looked a bit better when I got rid of the decimal conversion in macro 2 and instead used this:

 

Variable Restore: Restore All Variables

Date/Time: Set %Later% to the current date/time

Variable Modify Date/Time: %TimeRun% = %Start% - %Later%

Text Box Display: How long?

Macro Return

 

<VARIABLE RESTORE Option="\x00"/>
<DATE/TIME Flags="\xB0" Date="30/12/1899" Day_Offset="0" Month_Offset="0" Year_Offset="0" Hour_Offset="0" Minute_Offset="0" Second_Offset="0" Left="Center" Top="Center" Monitor="0" Variable="%Later%" IsDateVar="TRUE"/>
<VARIABLE MODIFY DATE/TIME DateVar="%TimeRun%" Option="\x01" LeftVar="%Start%" RightVal="%Later%" UseInteger="TRUE" MathOpt="\x00"/>
<TEXT BOX DISPLAY Title="How long?" Content="{\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0\\deflang1033{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fnil\\fcharset0 Tahoma;}{\\f1\\fnil Tahoma;}}\r\n\\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\f0\\fs16 Macro 1 started at\\b  Start\\b0  = %Start%  (= %StartDec%)\r\n\\par Macro 2 started at \\b Later\\b0  = %Later% (= %LaterDec%)\r\n\\par \r\n\\par So \\b TimeRun\\b0  = %TimeRun%\\f1 \r\n\\par }\r\n" Left="727" Top="609" Width="546" Height="219" Monitor="0" OnTop="FALSE" Keep_Focus="TRUE" Mode="\x00" Delay="0"/>
<MACRO RETURN/>

 

 

Here's the resultant message in How long?

 

Macro 1 started at Start = 28/12/2008 19:29:12 (= 0)

Macro 2 started at Later = 28/12/2008 19:30:42 (= 0.0)

 

So TimeRun = 30/12/1899 00:01:30

 

No idea where ME gets that date from!

 

Can't do more on this right now; please let me know of any conclusions.

 

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Terry, East Grinstead, UK

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Here's the resultant message in How long?

 

Macro 1 started at Start = 28/12/2008 19:29:12 (= 0)

Macro 2 started at Later = 28/12/2008 19:30:42 (= 0.0)

 

So TimeRun = 30/12/1899 00:01:30

 

No idea where ME gets that date from!

 

Can't do more on this right now; please let me know of any conclusions.

 

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Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Ok, I'm still playing with this, and still not having any luck. I get similar results when I copy your code into my Editor,

but when I just build it from scratch following your commands, my results are not even close.

 

Something I noticed about your code is that your ME Pro is assigning 30/12/1899 as today's date (this is actually captured

inside your Direct Editor script), which may mean there is a communication error between ME Pro and your computer. This

is not duplicated in my ME Pro which is capturing today's date. That might be part of the problem, and certainly explains

why that year is popping up in your Text Box Display.

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Ok, I've gone completely basic.

 

Saved Variables are not being restored.

 

Here are the two most basic macros for example:

Macro 1:

Variable Set String %TStart% to "Today"
Variable Set Integer %NStart% to 2008
Variable Set Decimal %DStart% to 0.535
Date/Time: Set %DTStart% to the current date/time
Text Box Display: 
Variable Save: Save All Variables

<VARIABLE SET STRING Option="\x00" Destination="%TStart%" Value="Today"/>
<VARIABLE SET INTEGER Option="\x00" Destination="%NStart%" Value="2008"/>
<VARIABLE SET DECIMAL Option="\x00" Destination="%DStart%" Value="0.535"/>
<DATE/TIME Flags="\xB0" Date="12/28/2008 2:00:06 PM" Day_Offset="0" Month_Offset="0" Year_Offset="0" Hour_Offset="0" Minute_Offset="0" Second_Offset="0" Left="Center" Top="Center" Monitor="0" Variable="%DTStart%" IsDateVar="TRUE"/>
<TEXT BOX DISPLAY Content="{\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0\\deflang1033{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fnil\\fcharset0 Tahoma;}{\\f1\\fnil Tahoma;}}\r\n\\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\f0\\fs16 Text = %TStart%\r\n\\par Intg. = %NStart%\r\n\\par Dec  = %DStart%\r\n\\par D/T  = %DTStart%\\f1 \r\n\\par }\r\n" Left="Center" Top="Center" Width="278" Height="200" Monitor="0" OnTop="FALSE" Keep_Focus="TRUE" Mode="\x00" Delay="0"/>
<VARIABLE SAVE Option="\x00"/>

Macro 2:

Variable Restore: Restore All Variables
Text Box Display:

<VARIABLE RESTORE Option="\x00"/>
<TEXT BOX DISPLAY Content="{\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0\\deflang1033{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fnil\\fcharset0 Tahoma;}{\\f1\\fnil Tahoma;}}\r\n\\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\f0\\fs16 Text = %TStart%\r\n\\par Intg. = %NStart%\r\n\\par Dec  = %DStart%\r\n\\par D/T  = %DTStart%\\f1 \r\n\\par }\r\n" Left="Center" Top="Center" Width="278" Height="200" Monitor="0" OnTop="FALSE" Keep_Focus="TRUE" Mode="\x00" Delay="0"/>

 

-Edit

 

Well, something is amiss. After I posted this, I ran the macros again and this time the Restore command worked.

Further tests and changes to the initial macro also worked. I don't know what the problem is exactly, but I have some

doubts about whether or not th Restore command is fully operational 100% of the time.

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Ok, I think I'm going to submit a bug report soon, because my results are VERY inconsistent.

 

Latest test:

Macro 1:

Date/Time: Set %Start% to the current date/time
Variable Save: Save All Variables

<DATE/TIME Flags="\xB0" Date="12/28/2008 2:15:13 PM" Day_Offset="0" Month_Offset="0" Year_Offset="0" Hour_Offset="0" Minute_Offset="0" Second_Offset="0" Left="Center" Top="Center" Monitor="0" Variable="%Start%" IsDateVar="TRUE"/>
<VARIABLE SAVE Option="\x00"/>

 

Macro 2 was initially (and it worked just fine):

Variable Restore: Restore All Variables
Text Box Display: Today?

<VARIABLE RESTORE Option="\x00"/>
<TEXT BOX DISPLAY Title="Today?" Content="{\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0\\deflang1033{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fnil\\fcharset0 Tahoma;}{\\f1\\fnil Tahoma;}}\r\n\\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\f0\\fs16 %Start%\\f1 \r\n\\par }\r\n" Left="Center" Top="Center" Width="278" Height="200" Monitor="0" OnTop="FALSE" Keep_Focus="TRUE" Mode="\x00" Delay="0"/>

 

I then added (and it still worked fine):

Date/Time: Set %Later% to the current date/time
Text Box Display: Today?

<DATE/TIME Flags="\xB0" Date="12/28/2008 2:16:07 PM" Day_Offset="0" Month_Offset="0" Year_Offset="0" Hour_Offset="0" Minute_Offset="0" Second_Offset="0" Left="Center" Top="Center" Monitor="0" Variable="%Later%" IsDateVar="TRUE"/>
<TEXT BOX DISPLAY Title="Today?" Content="{\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0\\deflang1033{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fnil\\fcharset0 Tahoma;}{\\f1\\fnil Tahoma;}}\r\n\\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\f0\\fs16 %Start%\r\n\\par %Later%\\f1 \r\n\\par }\r\n" Left="Center" Top="Center" Width="278" Height="200" Monitor="0" OnTop="FALSE" Keep_Focus="TRUE" Mode="\x00" Delay="0"/>

 

And finally I tried the following, at which point the Restore ceased to function at all:

Variable Modify Date/Time: %Diff% = %Later% - %Start% 
Text Box Display: Today?

<VARIABLE MODIFY DATE/TIME DateVar="%Diff%" Option="\x01" LeftVar="%Later%" RightVal="%Start%" UseInteger="TRUE" MathOpt="\x00"/>
<TEXT BOX DISPLAY Title="Today?" Content="{\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0\\deflang1033{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fnil\\fcharset0 Tahoma;}{\\f1\\fnil Tahoma;}}\r\n\\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\f0\\fs16 %Start%\r\n\\par %Later%\r\n\\par %Diff%\\f1 \r\n\\par }\r\n" Left="Center" Top="Center" Width="278" Height="200" Monitor="0" OnTop="FALSE" Keep_Focus="TRUE" Mode="\x00" Delay="0"/>

 

Even when I remove the commands that are apparently breaking the macro, it continues to malfunction. My result in the "Today?" Text box (variable %start%) becomes 0.0

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<sigh>

I'm about to give up on this one. I think I found the problem. I don't know why it worked originally, but it seems my variable

%Start% got re-assigned as a Text variable rather than a Date/Time variable, which caused the Restore command to

stop recognizing the originally established value (from macro 1).

 

I manually assigned %Start% to the Date/Time category within macro 2 and now the macro is working consistently.

 

However, I have now duplicated Terry's situation:

Variable Modify Date/Time: %Diff% = %Later% - %Start%

 

This line should subtract the Starting time-stamp from the Later time-stamp and give the difference. The resulting time-

stamp (%Diff%) displays: 12/30/1899 12:07:37 (the hh:mm:ss changes each time I run Macro 2, so something is working)

 

Converting the D/T to Dec before calculating the difference and then converting back gives the same results.

 

With a little work, I've come up with an inelegant work-around. It's not perfect, but it should be adequate, better with more

work.

 

It seems to me the Modify Date/Time command needs some work, though... pretty disappointing if this is how it's supposed to work.

 

Here's my work-around (macro 2):

Variable Restore: Restore All Variables
Date/Time: Set %Later% to the current date/time
Variable Modify Date/Time: Extract hour into %N[1]%
Variable Modify Date/Time: Extract minute into %N[2]%
Variable Modify Date/Time: Extract second into %N[3]%
Variable Modify Date/Time: Extract hour into %N[4]%
Variable Modify Date/Time: Extract minute into %N[5]%
Variable Modify Date/Time: Extract second into %N[6]%
Variable Modify Integer: %N[7]% = %N[1]% - %N[4]%
Variable Modify Integer: %N[8]% = %N[2]% - %N[5]%
Variable Modify Integer: %N[9]% = %N[3]% - %N[6]%
Text Box Display: Time Difference

<VARIABLE RESTORE Option="\x00"/>
<DATE/TIME Flags="\xB0" Date="12/28/2008 2:16:07 PM" Day_Offset="0" Month_Offset="0" Year_Offset="0" Hour_Offset="0" Minute_Offset="0" Second_Offset="0" Left="Center" Top="Center" Monitor="0" Variable="%Later%" IsDateVar="TRUE"/>
<VARIABLE MODIFY DATE/TIME DateVar="%Later%" Option="\x05" LeftVar="%N[1]%" UseInteger="FALSE" MathOpt="\x00"/>
<VARIABLE MODIFY DATE/TIME DateVar="%Later%" Option="\x06" LeftVar="%N[2]%" UseInteger="FALSE" MathOpt="\x00"/>
<VARIABLE MODIFY DATE/TIME DateVar="%Later%" Option="\x07" LeftVar="%N[3]%" UseInteger="FALSE" MathOpt="\x00"/>
<VARIABLE MODIFY DATE/TIME DateVar="%Start%" Option="\x05" LeftVar="%N[4]%" UseInteger="FALSE" MathOpt="\x00"/>
<VARIABLE MODIFY DATE/TIME DateVar="%Start%" Option="\x06" LeftVar="%N[5]%" UseInteger="FALSE" MathOpt="\x00"/>
<VARIABLE MODIFY DATE/TIME DateVar="%Start%" Option="\x07" LeftVar="%N[6]%" UseInteger="FALSE" MathOpt="\x00"/>
<VARIABLE MODIFY INTEGER Option="\x01" Destination="%N[7]%" Value1="%N[1]%" Value2="%N[4]%"/>
<VARIABLE MODIFY INTEGER Option="\x01" Destination="%N[8]%" Value1="%N[2]%" Value2="%N[5]%"/>
<VARIABLE MODIFY INTEGER Option="\x01" Destination="%N[9]%" Value1="%N[3]%" Value2="%N[6]%"/>
<TEXT BOX DISPLAY Title="Time Difference" Content="{\\rtf1\\ansi\\ansicpg1252\\deff0\\deflang1033{\\fonttbl{\\f0\\fnil\\fcharset0 Tahoma;}}\r\n\\viewkind4\\uc1\\pard\\f0\\fs16 %Start%\r\n\\par %Later%\r\n\\par %N[7]%:%N[8]%:%N[9]%\r\n\\par }\r\n" Left="Center" Top="Center" Width="278" Height="200" Monitor="0" OnTop="FALSE" Keep_Focus="TRUE" Mode="\x00" Delay="0"/>

 

I haven't figured out yet if this will work while macro 1 is still running... I don't plan on posting about it when I do modify Macro 1 again... but who knows.

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I spotted a bug on 11/15 in build 99 where Variable Restore was not working. It's still appearing as open in my list and I don't see any later emails that it was fixed. I know they identified the problem and were working on fixing it. It was assigned tracking number ISS6184 so you might want to mention this in any support correspondence.

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Just prior to the release of Macro Express Pro a change was made to the Save/Restore Variables commands. These now only affect Global variables. Make sure your variables are defined as Global before using these commands. The documentation is being updated to reflect this change.

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Just prior to the release of Macro Express Pro a change was made to the Save/Restore Variables commands. These now only affect Global variables. Make sure your variables are defined as Global before using these commands. The documentation is being updated to reflect this change.

Hmm,

 

The Scope of the macros I described above are all set to Global (I rarely change that when testing unfamiliar commands).

 

The problem, it seems, was simply that a variable (%Start%) was "understood" by Macro 1 to be a Date/Time variable, and

kept it's identity as such when Macro 2 was very basic. As soon as Macro 2 became a little more complex, Macro 2 decided

to default %Start% back to a Text variable.

 

It was a nuisance, but once understood, easily remedied.

 

Now my concern is that the Modify Date/Time doesn't seem to be working correctly (or if it is, it is very confusing and not

immediately intuitive).

 

I will review the help pages in depth, build some different test macros, and if I think necessary, I'll start a new thread or just

file a bug report.

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Like you I was very excited about the time variables but IMHO they were not implemented in an intuitive fashion. In the beta there were so many shortfalls (there's a lot of history here that makes it understandable) that I had all but given up on it. Late in the game they made many changes that make it at least useful now but I still think I would have done it different as I believe it's still deficient in many ways. I pray that down the road there will be time to reconsider and hopefully they will listen to my advice! :) In any case after much exposure and trials and tribs I think I have a pretty good grasp of their function and the theory behind so feel free to ask me directed questions. I might even write my own tutorial on them for everyone's benefit.

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